When someone posted an article published in Cairo debunking the much accepted (well..I'm keretapi tanah melayu rupa2nya! Apparently my colleagues in the Islamic Studies discipline said this was not new) view that Aishah was 9 when she married Rasulullah (pbuh), I posted it in my Kull mailing list...many responded and I learned so much from the responses.I love this uni!
The link sent was this : http://www.bikyamasr.com/82703/prophets-wife-aisha-was-19-years-old-when-married-not-9-says-scholar/ (with my question: have we done our maths?)
And here are some responses from my colleagues (and they come from every where..Europe, sub-continent, North Africa, Asia, etc):
1.
It's not really a new thing. Has nothing to do with math tho', purely based on hadith and historical writing method.
Mawlana Asri Yusuf from Kubang Kerian has been talking about this in Malaysia and been refuted by many.
Unfortunately, it was debated based on purely hadith method without looking into historio-socialogical approach at the issue. Need a thorough research and taking a holistic approach too.
But why not give some room for a healthy debate.
2.
I am very happy to read your suggested link on the age of one of the Greatest Ummahat al-Mu'minin. This is proper critical and logic reading of hadith in Salaf way. Sometimes I am very angry with our blockheads whose misreading & pseudo-exegesis give fuel for filthy kaffirs to denigrate, to defame Islam and helping them in blasphemy. Marriages of children were very popular in the medieval Christian Europe for dynastic coalitions. Several Byzantine princesses were married in age of 3, 5, and 7. Marriages with 8-9 year-old were consummated by Christian kings and princes older than 50.
Example: Hungarian princess Hedwig d'Anjou was married in her age of 10 by the Lithuanian Grand Duke Yogaila (who baptized himself for this occasion) who was old polygynist ( He still kept his ca. 90 slave-wives). Queen Hedwig of Poland was not in love with him because he was already engaged with Austrian prince when she was 3 year old! And she was "loved". She donated her jewels to the University of Cracow in 1390s. She is venerated as St. Jadviga by the Polish Catholic Church plagued today by cases of pedophilia.
Today, in Europe, sex between 10 year old children is politically correct by secularist and liberal standards. Children in primary schools of European Union learn that sex between two women or two men are "normal". This is a Animal Farm ruled by the subaltern pigs more equal than the rest of "progressive" cattle.
More details on Christian and Hindu tradition of marriages between toddlers. Write to me and I will give you data.
3.
Thank you for sending this article. Since the opinion of the author is supported by evidences, we should accept it.
4.
Here is another piece on the subject. Adil Salahi is the author of Muhammad: Man and Prophet
http://www.arabnews.com/node/228905
At What Age Was Aishah Married to the Prophet
Adil Salahi, Arab News Staff
Saturday 8 March 2003 (04 Muharram 1424)
Q. I have been asked numerous times about the Prophet’s marriage with Aishah and her age at the time. Could you please throw some light on this issue, and explain the reasons why this marriage took place at such an early age?
A. Ahmad , USA
A. Yes, this question will inevitably be raised time after time, particularly with the steadily increasing attacks against Islam and against the Prophet personally. Yet there is nothing in Islam, or in the character and behavior of Muhammad (peace be upon him), God’s last messenger to mankind, that we need to apologize for, or feel embarrassed about. However, some discussion of his marriage to Aishah and her age at the time of their marriage is needed in order to show that there was nothing wrong in all that.
The most commonly quoted report suggests that Aishah was only six years of age when the Prophet proposed to her, and their actual marriage took place when she was nine. People tend to take this as an established fact. But when we examine this report and take into consideration all factors and related reports, we find that this report does not stand to even elementary scrutiny.
The first thing we have to understand is that the Arabian society at the time of the Prophet was largely illiterate, with very few people able to read and write. There was no particular calendar used for dating major events, let alone the births and deaths of people. We read for example that the Prophet was born in the year of the elephant, which was the year when an Abyssinian commander went from Yemen to Makkah at the head of a large army with the aim of destroying the Kaaba. A large elephant marched in front of the army. Hence, the name given to the event and the year.
Reports of people’s ages in Arabia at the time of the Prophet are often confused, and always uncertain. For example, the common idea of the Prophet’s age at the time of his first marriage to Khadeejah is said to be 25, while she was 40. However, in the most reliable biography of the Prophet, written by Ibn Hisham, which gives him that age, we have two additional reports, one putting his age at 30 and the other at 21. There is simply no way we can determine with any degree of accuracy which of the three figures indicating the Prophet’s age is the correct one. Khadeejah’s age is also subject to speculation with different reports saying that she was 35 and 25. One report by Ibn Abbas, the Prophet’s cousin who was one of the most authoritative scholars among the Prophet’s companions, says that both the Prophet and his wife were 28 at the time of their marriage. Considering that Khadeejah gave the Prophet six children, there is no way she could have been 40 at the time of their marriage, which is the most common report. She must have been much younger, and the report that she was 28 or 25 seems far more reasonable.
The Prophet did not marry anyone else while Khadeejah was alive, and he lived with her for 25 years. When she died and he was facing great pressure, a woman companion of his suggested that he should get married, so that he would have companionship and comfort at home, after a long day of preaching his message. She suggested either a virgin, Aishah, or a previously married woman, Sawdah. The Prophet told her to go with his proposal to both of them.
The idea behind a new marriage was to give the Prophet companionship and comfort, and yet those who suggest that Aishah was six at the time want us to believe that the woman who wanted the Prophet to get married would suggest to him a girl of 6 to marry! That is some companionship! I wonder whether she meant companionship to him or to his youngest daughter who was older than Aishah, if we accept this report.
But then we cannot take the matter on logical factors alone. We have to have some other basis. Consider then that in Ibn Ish aq ’s biography of the Prophet, which is the basis and most accurate of all biographies, we have a list of the early Muslims, who accepted Islam in the very early days of the Islamic message. He lists about 50 people and this list includes the names of Abu Bakr’s two daughters, Asmaa’ and Aishah, adding that she was young at the time. On that list, Aishah comes at number 20, but let us not attach any importance to this order. We will only take the fact that all these were Muslims before the message of Islam was in its fifth year, because in that year the first immigration to Abyssinia took place, when many of those included in this list were among the immigrants. So, at that time, in year 5 or earlier, Aishah was young but old enough to be listed among people accepting a new faith. What age do we give her? Surely it cannot be said that she was 2 or 4 or 5, and still be included in such a list of illustrious names. Otherwise, all children born to the other 50 people on the list would have been mentioned. She must have been old enough to make an informed decision of the serious magnitude of changing or accepting a religion. To me, she could not have been less than 10 or 8, if people would insist on making her younger.
We now need to find out how long after that her marriage took place. Well, we know that the marriage took place after the Prophet and his companions had settled in Madinah, which means year 13 or 14 of the beginning of Islamic revelations. Simple arithmetic shows that she could not have been less than 14 when she was named to the Prophet as a possible wife, or less than 17 when he married her, with the stronger possibility that she was even older, perhaps 19.
Then someone might ask why the Prophet would marry a young woman of that age when he was 53 or 54? In order to understand such issues we need to remember that we cannot apply our own social norms to a different society, even though we live at the same time. Thus, American social norms may not be applied in Africa, Malaysia or Japan , nor can the social norms of any of these societies be applied in the other. At that time in Arabia , people did not consider age difference between man and wife to be of great significance. Take the case of Umar ibn Al-Khattab and his daughter Hafsah. When she was divorced, Umar suggested to Abu Bakr, who was at least 10 years older than him, to marry her. The age difference in that marriage, had it taken place, would have been nothing less than 30 years, and Umar thought that it would have been a great and welcome match. When Abu Bakr was slow in answering Umar’s suggestion, Umar offered her to Uthman, who was only a few years younger than him. But Uthman had a reason for not marrying her, and then the Prophet married her. He was about the same age as Abu Bakr or slightly older. The age gap counted for nothing at the time.
5.
The issue , it seems , is long back resolved & concluded... Here is translation of an Urdu work that I read in original a few decades back ...
It seems that the Urdu (Muslim ) world is ahead of time.
Click here http://www.ilovezakirnaik.com/madamayeshah/index.htm to find more on the following topics:
Aishah’s marriage and her exact age
The ancient historical references
Some thought-provoking suggestions
Some historical facts that need considering carefully:
The age of Aishah in relationship to the age of her sister Asma
Abu Bakr’s children were born before the advent of Islam
Abu Bakr’s marriage to Umm Ruman
Aishah was one of the first children to embrace Islam
Some background details of the marriage
Abu Bakr’s concern about the delay of Aishah’s full wedding
Aishah was playing on a swing when called to her marriage
The date of the death of Aishah
The status of the narratives in the Sahih collections
Sayyid Sulayman Nadvi’s statement examined
Aishah’s dolls
Aishah’s ‘playmates’
Aishah’s Needlework
Aishah’s Account of the Miraj and the Hijrah
Aishah’s role in the Battle of Uhud
Aishah’s knowledge
Her status as a jurist
Conclusion
A word of caution from a colleague:
Feel free to disagree . In no way does either of the opinions form a part of Islamic belief ('iman / 'aqida).
It can even be ignored! This should in no way be allowed to open doors for sectarianism ,discord or any westoxicated /westoxified " ...ism"
The link sent was this : http://www.bikyamasr.com/82703/prophets-wife-aisha-was-19-years-old-when-married-not-9-says-scholar/ (with my question: have we done our maths?)
And here are some responses from my colleagues (and they come from every where..Europe, sub-continent, North Africa, Asia, etc):
1.
It's not really a new thing. Has nothing to do with math tho', purely based on hadith and historical writing method.
Mawlana Asri Yusuf from Kubang Kerian has been talking about this in Malaysia and been refuted by many.
Unfortunately, it was debated based on purely hadith method without looking into historio-socialogical approach at the issue. Need a thorough research and taking a holistic approach too.
But why not give some room for a healthy debate.
2.
I am very happy to read your suggested link on the age of one of the Greatest Ummahat al-Mu'minin. This is proper critical and logic reading of hadith in Salaf way. Sometimes I am very angry with our blockheads whose misreading & pseudo-exegesis give fuel for filthy kaffirs to denigrate, to defame Islam and helping them in blasphemy. Marriages of children were very popular in the medieval Christian Europe for dynastic coalitions. Several Byzantine princesses were married in age of 3, 5, and 7. Marriages with 8-9 year-old were consummated by Christian kings and princes older than 50.
Example: Hungarian princess Hedwig d'Anjou was married in her age of 10 by the Lithuanian Grand Duke Yogaila (who baptized himself for this occasion) who was old polygynist ( He still kept his ca. 90 slave-wives). Queen Hedwig of Poland was not in love with him because he was already engaged with Austrian prince when she was 3 year old! And she was "loved". She donated her jewels to the University of Cracow in 1390s. She is venerated as St. Jadviga by the Polish Catholic Church plagued today by cases of pedophilia.
Today, in Europe, sex between 10 year old children is politically correct by secularist and liberal standards. Children in primary schools of European Union learn that sex between two women or two men are "normal". This is a Animal Farm ruled by the subaltern pigs more equal than the rest of "progressive" cattle.
More details on Christian and Hindu tradition of marriages between toddlers. Write to me and I will give you data.
3.
Thank you for sending this article. Since the opinion of the author is supported by evidences, we should accept it.
4.
Here is another piece on the subject. Adil Salahi is the author of Muhammad: Man and Prophet
http://www.arabnews.com/node/228905
At What Age Was Aishah Married to the Prophet
Adil Salahi, Arab News Staff
Saturday 8 March 2003 (04 Muharram 1424)
Q. I have been asked numerous times about the Prophet’s marriage with Aishah and her age at the time. Could you please throw some light on this issue, and explain the reasons why this marriage took place at such an early age?
A. Ahmad , USA
A. Yes, this question will inevitably be raised time after time, particularly with the steadily increasing attacks against Islam and against the Prophet personally. Yet there is nothing in Islam, or in the character and behavior of Muhammad (peace be upon him), God’s last messenger to mankind, that we need to apologize for, or feel embarrassed about. However, some discussion of his marriage to Aishah and her age at the time of their marriage is needed in order to show that there was nothing wrong in all that.
The most commonly quoted report suggests that Aishah was only six years of age when the Prophet proposed to her, and their actual marriage took place when she was nine. People tend to take this as an established fact. But when we examine this report and take into consideration all factors and related reports, we find that this report does not stand to even elementary scrutiny.
The first thing we have to understand is that the Arabian society at the time of the Prophet was largely illiterate, with very few people able to read and write. There was no particular calendar used for dating major events, let alone the births and deaths of people. We read for example that the Prophet was born in the year of the elephant, which was the year when an Abyssinian commander went from Yemen to Makkah at the head of a large army with the aim of destroying the Kaaba. A large elephant marched in front of the army. Hence, the name given to the event and the year.
Reports of people’s ages in Arabia at the time of the Prophet are often confused, and always uncertain. For example, the common idea of the Prophet’s age at the time of his first marriage to Khadeejah is said to be 25, while she was 40. However, in the most reliable biography of the Prophet, written by Ibn Hisham, which gives him that age, we have two additional reports, one putting his age at 30 and the other at 21. There is simply no way we can determine with any degree of accuracy which of the three figures indicating the Prophet’s age is the correct one. Khadeejah’s age is also subject to speculation with different reports saying that she was 35 and 25. One report by Ibn Abbas, the Prophet’s cousin who was one of the most authoritative scholars among the Prophet’s companions, says that both the Prophet and his wife were 28 at the time of their marriage. Considering that Khadeejah gave the Prophet six children, there is no way she could have been 40 at the time of their marriage, which is the most common report. She must have been much younger, and the report that she was 28 or 25 seems far more reasonable.
The Prophet did not marry anyone else while Khadeejah was alive, and he lived with her for 25 years. When she died and he was facing great pressure, a woman companion of his suggested that he should get married, so that he would have companionship and comfort at home, after a long day of preaching his message. She suggested either a virgin, Aishah, or a previously married woman, Sawdah. The Prophet told her to go with his proposal to both of them.
The idea behind a new marriage was to give the Prophet companionship and comfort, and yet those who suggest that Aishah was six at the time want us to believe that the woman who wanted the Prophet to get married would suggest to him a girl of 6 to marry! That is some companionship! I wonder whether she meant companionship to him or to his youngest daughter who was older than Aishah, if we accept this report.
But then we cannot take the matter on logical factors alone. We have to have some other basis. Consider then that in Ibn Ish aq ’s biography of the Prophet, which is the basis and most accurate of all biographies, we have a list of the early Muslims, who accepted Islam in the very early days of the Islamic message. He lists about 50 people and this list includes the names of Abu Bakr’s two daughters, Asmaa’ and Aishah, adding that she was young at the time. On that list, Aishah comes at number 20, but let us not attach any importance to this order. We will only take the fact that all these were Muslims before the message of Islam was in its fifth year, because in that year the first immigration to Abyssinia took place, when many of those included in this list were among the immigrants. So, at that time, in year 5 or earlier, Aishah was young but old enough to be listed among people accepting a new faith. What age do we give her? Surely it cannot be said that she was 2 or 4 or 5, and still be included in such a list of illustrious names. Otherwise, all children born to the other 50 people on the list would have been mentioned. She must have been old enough to make an informed decision of the serious magnitude of changing or accepting a religion. To me, she could not have been less than 10 or 8, if people would insist on making her younger.
We now need to find out how long after that her marriage took place. Well, we know that the marriage took place after the Prophet and his companions had settled in Madinah, which means year 13 or 14 of the beginning of Islamic revelations. Simple arithmetic shows that she could not have been less than 14 when she was named to the Prophet as a possible wife, or less than 17 when he married her, with the stronger possibility that she was even older, perhaps 19.
Then someone might ask why the Prophet would marry a young woman of that age when he was 53 or 54? In order to understand such issues we need to remember that we cannot apply our own social norms to a different society, even though we live at the same time. Thus, American social norms may not be applied in Africa, Malaysia or Japan , nor can the social norms of any of these societies be applied in the other. At that time in Arabia , people did not consider age difference between man and wife to be of great significance. Take the case of Umar ibn Al-Khattab and his daughter Hafsah. When she was divorced, Umar suggested to Abu Bakr, who was at least 10 years older than him, to marry her. The age difference in that marriage, had it taken place, would have been nothing less than 30 years, and Umar thought that it would have been a great and welcome match. When Abu Bakr was slow in answering Umar’s suggestion, Umar offered her to Uthman, who was only a few years younger than him. But Uthman had a reason for not marrying her, and then the Prophet married her. He was about the same age as Abu Bakr or slightly older. The age gap counted for nothing at the time.
5.
The issue , it seems , is long back resolved & concluded... Here is translation of an Urdu work that I read in original a few decades back ...
It seems that the Urdu (Muslim ) world is ahead of time.
Click here http://www.ilovezakirnaik.com/madamayeshah/index.htm to find more on the following topics:
Aishah’s marriage and her exact age
The ancient historical references
Some thought-provoking suggestions
Some historical facts that need considering carefully:
The age of Aishah in relationship to the age of her sister Asma
Abu Bakr’s children were born before the advent of Islam
Abu Bakr’s marriage to Umm Ruman
Aishah was one of the first children to embrace Islam
Some background details of the marriage
Abu Bakr’s concern about the delay of Aishah’s full wedding
Aishah was playing on a swing when called to her marriage
The date of the death of Aishah
The status of the narratives in the Sahih collections
Sayyid Sulayman Nadvi’s statement examined
Aishah’s dolls
Aishah’s ‘playmates’
Aishah’s Needlework
Aishah’s Account of the Miraj and the Hijrah
Aishah’s role in the Battle of Uhud
Aishah’s knowledge
Her status as a jurist
Conclusion
A word of caution from a colleague:
Feel free to disagree . In no way does either of the opinions form a part of Islamic belief ('iman / 'aqida).
It can even be ignored! This should in no way be allowed to open doors for sectarianism ,discord or any westoxicated /westoxified " ...ism"
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